Question:
My surgeon doesn't seem to require a lot of pre op 'hoops', should this worry me?

My surgeon only required an upper GI and a psych eval for pre op. No cardio or anything like that. He does not require people to quit smoking and he has also only done 3 surgeries. I like him and he is very knowledgable and has a great bedside manor. I think I am just freaking out because I never thought I would get this far. Should I worry?    — Nancy S. (posted on May 14, 2003)


May 14, 2003
Someone with at least 200 surgeries is my own personal requirement. I personally would find another surgeon.
   — SJP

May 14, 2003
That's a difficult question. If your surgeon has only done 3 surgeries, I'd be worried - but if he has a lot of surgery experience, and has only done 2 bypasses, that might be OK. The sugeon I wanted to go to has not done that many RNY, but has YEARS of gastric and general surgery experience and is a pioneer in the field of laparoscopic surgery. Every doctor I see in my health group thinks he walks on water. If you have a good feeling from your surgeon and if he has a lot of experience in other surgeries, that may not be so bad. You could see what others say about him. You need to feel comfortable with your decision. Good luck!
   — w8free

May 14, 2003
Personally, I would be worried. My surgeon has been doing weight loss surgeries for over 20 years and does other surgeries as well and he requires lots of tests: Upper GI, Echocardiogram, EKG, Pulmonary Function tests, galbladder ultrasound, Sleep Study, lots of blood work...I even have to have had my pap smear and mammogram within the last year. I trust him because I know that he will know exactly what he is dealing with before he gets me on the operating table, making any surprises less likely. There can still be surprises, but he will know all of my systerms that are involved with the surgery. We are really high risk patients because of our weight and its important that the surgeon know about any comorbiities and potential problems. It seems like some of the deaths described on the memorial section of this site could have been prevented had the doctor known more ahead of time. Those are just some of my thoughts from all my research. I also think that you deserve the very best care that is available to you.
   — Good_Courage_Ruth

May 14, 2003
I totally agree with Ruth. The "hoops" are not intended to give you a hard time or lengthen ur journey, but to prevent your name from coming up in the memorial page due to a clot or something that might have been detected pre-op. If he was honest, he would make u quit smoking for at least 1 month pre-op. Smokers have any increases risk of blood clots. Plus their lungs aren't as strong for the operation & anesthesia. A month break from cigerettes makes a big difference in the prevention of complications. Unfortunatly, a doctor who wants to have a record of more than 3 patients (for the next person who asks) may accept patients regardless of the circumstances. I don't mean to worry you but its something you should know. I pray that you make a wise decision. Best of Luck ~Laura~
   — Laura R.

May 14, 2003
Original poster here. To clarify this. My surgeon has been practicing in the US for 14 years and has assisted and observed many RNY surgeries. He has just only done 3 of them on his own. He would prefer you to quit smoking but does not require it.
   — Nancy S.

May 14, 2003
My surgeon had done 700 sugeries before mine. I would look for someone with more experience and a total program of pre & post-op care. I had no complications and have been entirely happy with my results. I am over two years post op and have had no negative health issues of any kind as a result of surgery. This surgery changes your anatomy for life. Make sure you get the best doc you can find.
   — Lisa B.

May 14, 2003
My surgeon says smokers get more leaks. Personally I ould be concerned. According to my surgeon known problems that are managed arent dangerous. Its the unknowns like sleep apnea that can kill. I am a prime example of that. A few years before WLS I had minor knee surgery and quit breathing. It was HORRIBLE! I came very close to dying. You dont want to go thru that.
   — bob-haller

May 14, 2003
Not all people have to have all the tests. The surgeons usually go by how you fill out your quesationaire. (sp) If you have a bad medical history, they test more. If you answere questions that you have no problem in certain areas of your health, they usually don't test. For example if you tell them you have no trouble sleeping or being tied or snoring, they likely don't order a sleep apnea test. But, I would not want to go into surgery without at least an EKG done prior to being put to sleep. Sometimes this is done the day before or the day of your surgery, when your labs are done at the hospital. When you register for surgery.
   — Delores S.

May 14, 2003
IMHO, you should be VERY, VERY worried. These test are not done just because but could save your life. They are not "hoops" to be jumped or taken lightly. Please find another surgeon who will have your best interest in mind. Sidney Open RNY 10-23-02 down 90+
   — Siddy I.

May 15, 2003
Nancy, I don't think you need to be worried. It sounds like your surgeon has plenty of experience. Not only that, he may very well have another surgeon with him when he does your surgery. Some people don't like to hear that, because they want to be sure that their chosen surgeon is actually doing the surgery. (I know the first surgeon I chose was going to have another surgeon more versed in lap surgery with him, as well as a Fellow who had even more experience at another facility! BTY, the first surgeon wound up not doing my surgery due to a scheduling conflict, so the one more experienced in lap surgery and the Fellow did it, and I was really happy, since I liked all of the docs!) I noticed that you are not that old, nor are you super obese. You seem to be in relatively good health, so your surgeon has probabaly assessed your needs for further testing and found it not necessary. I didn't have a lot of hoops to go through, but my husband had to do more because he had a congenital heart defect corrected back when he was a teenager. And, I hate to say it, but surgeons operate on smokers every day. When my DH was in the recovery room after his RNY, they brought in a fairly young woman who had just had some major, major vascular surgery done to her legs. She was barely conscious, but her first words were to ask for a cigarette! Surgeons can use the "stop smoking or no surgery" to cut risk, and they know they have some real leverage in getting people to quit smoking if they require before surgery. For over 13 years I worked with people who had heart surgery and you wouldn't believe how many of them couldn't wait to get out of the hospital - so they could have a cigarette! I also know that, since I was in a teaching hospital, residents and medical students would be present and assisting with my surgery. (The medical student was so sweet - her job was to hold the camera still! And I know the Fellow is the one who "created" my pouch.) If you feel comfortable with your surgeon, go for it and don't be worried. No surgeon can just decide they want to start doing WLS and just do it. They have more training before they can do it on their own.
   — koogy

May 15, 2003
Nancy, I read your profile and I am really concerned for you. You seem to have some significant co-morbidities. Mainly it is your sleep apnea and shortness of breath and worry me. I hope your sleep apnea is being treated and that your surgeon has planned precautions that he will take for you having it. Having surgery with untreated sleep apnea can be Deadly! The anesthesia and the morphine they give you can make you stop breathing! Please read the memorial I wrote on my best friend, Ginger Brewster, on the memorial page of this website. Please be safe! If you do choose to have this surgeon you will need to be very vigilant in having your co-morbids managed properly. Best of luck for a safe and successful surgery.
   — Hackett

May 17, 2003
Bloodwork and EKG are usually done for any surgery. I had to have them done before a D&C. And you didn't mention anything about seeing a nutritionist pre-op. Bedside manner doesn't matter if you don't make it back to your bed!
   — Sarahlicious

May 18, 2003
The first surgeon I had selected to perform my surgery(he left my insurance network prior to my surgery, which sent me scurrying for a new surgeon), required you to attend his three hour informational session and nothing else--no psych eval, no dietary consult, nothing! In addition, he didn't even initially consult with you until a week before your surgery. Yet, he is a very reputable bariatric surgeon in my area. However, given all of the hoops I had to jump through when I scurried to find a new surgeon, in retrospect I'm wondering if his popularity is actually related to his surgical abilities or the fact that getting surgery through him is easy and uncomplicated. Still, a lot of his patients and former patients have a lot of good things to say about him. Overall, I would say that if you are comfortable with it, then I wouldn't worry about it. However, I would start asking questions if your surgeon has no plans to at least send you for pre-op testing--if for no other reason than to consult with the anesthesiologist. Before administering anethesia, a lot of anesthesiologists prefer to have some knowledge of you previous medical history and existing conditions before deciding which combination of drugs would be best and safest to use on you.
   — Amanda S.




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