Question:
Sleep apnea and breathing complications after WLS

I have had severe sleep apnea for about 7 years now. It has caused my heart to become enlarged and that scares me. But no matter what I do I can not waer that cpap machine. My pulmonolgist says if I have WLS without being able to wear the cpap I will have breathing complications. Has anyone been in this position and had a sucessful WLS?    — justaboutkrazy (posted on January 13, 2005)


January 12, 2005
In cases like this you will likely end up in ICU for a day or two until your breathing is stabilized. You are definitely a higher risk for surgery but your risk of dying without the surgery may be even greater. I know of people who have had successful wLS with uncontrolled sleep apnea. Just be very upfront with the anesthesiologist so that they can properly prepare and use the right meds. I also would consider going for an open procedure as it will be a lot faster and get you off anesthesia faster, which in your case could be critical. What's a minor incision to having your life back and surviving the surgery? I had mine done open and the incision was no big deal. After 3 major PS's it looks awesome and varely noticeable. I have no problems baring my tummy as the scar looks great. I did have some healing problems with my incision and it took 4-1/2 months of packing it to close, but I'd still do it over again in a heartbeat. All I wanted was to come through alive and then I could fight like he!! to stay alive. Keep looking for the right surgeon who has dealt with this before and has a great team to bring you through alive. Not to be too blunt here but you sound like you are living on borrowed time because of how severe your sleep apnea is. It sounds like you could die sooner rather than later. My feeling was I'd rather die trying that sitting day in and day out waiting for the day. I was 442 lbs and knew I could die on the table but had total confidence in my surgeon and the hospital staff and it all worked out. I decided if it was my day there wasn't a darn thing I could do about it and pushed full force ahead. I now hang in the high 190 range and life is so much easier physically, not to mention the clothes shopping is awesome. You need to do some deep thinking and search your soul to find the right answer for you. Blessings, Chris D.
   — zoedogcbr

January 12, 2005
A word of advice, get a mask that you can wear and WEAR IT. This is further damageing your heart, because of lack of oxygen. If you have surgery and have problems you may have to go an a ventilator. Yes I am trying to scare you, this is so important. Do you know thats why people die in their sleep, its because they didnt get enough oxygen that their heart got so starved for oxygen it just stops beating? (this is what the doctor told my husband), It will only take a few days to get use to it, my husband didnt like it either, but now... he wouldnt even consider sleeping without it because he knows it has saved his life. He sleeps like the dead..no pun intended now that he uses his c-pap and its the first thing he packs when we go on vacation or go anywhere overnight. This machine is as important as takiing blood pressure medicine, or diabetic meds or anything. Please,please,please practice wearing it during the day or evening when your watching tv so you can get use to it, and wear it all night. you will be supprised how wonderful you feel once you start wearing it. My husband even said after his wls that even if he doesnt need it he might continue to use it for the rest of his life. Im sorry this just scares me, I hope you will reconsider using it. Good luck Rosemary
   — wizz40

January 12, 2005
At a pressure setting of 17 I never did get used to my bi pap, it caused severe GERD:( Anyhow I told my surgeon who had me in a monitored bed after surgery, with a pulse ox monitor too, and on oxygen. They limited my pain meds a bit so as to not depress my breathing futher and reportedly just kept increasing the oxygen till I was stable. I haD NO PROBLEMS, do tell your surgeon and the everyone the morning of surgery so your safe.
   — bob-haller

January 12, 2005
Mary, Please, please try again with CPAP, maybe a different mask. It is so very important! My friend, Ginger Brewster, her story is on the memorial page of this website, died because of complications she had after WLS due to her sleep apnea being untreated. It is also important that they keep you in ICU where they can monitor you very carefully right after surgery so you don't stop breathing. If you cannot use the CPAP you may need to be on a ventilator and you'd want to be right there in ICU having your breathing monitored rather than in a regular room unmonitored and then you stop breathing and no one knows it. Please read the story on Ginger Brewster on the memorial page and you'll understand how serious of a problem this can be. If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me. Best of Luck to you.
   — Hackett

January 12, 2005
The only reason I knew that I had sleep apnea was because my surgeon required me to do a sleep study. I hated the thought of needing a machine to sleep with at night and I fought wearing it for a week or so. Finally my husband made me realize that if I didn't use my CPAP my oxygen levels would not improve and I would be risking having my surgery postponed or cancelled. It took a full week to get used to wearing it and also learning how to sleep with my mouth closed but that was just a week in the big scheme of things. I had used it for one month prior to my surgery and went through surgery with a breeze. I brought my machine down with me but never needed after I woke up. I did continue using it at night in the hospital and for a few weeks after I got home. I stopped using it about 2 weeks ago, only 1 month after surgery. I haven't had any of the side effects of sleep apnea, like waking up 5-6 times, going to the bathroom nonstop at night or waking up with my head pulsating because of lack of oxygen! Bottom line.....it is only going to help you in the long run. What is a couple of months compared to maybe being able to stop using it all together after your surgery? Best wishes!
   — Stephanie W.

January 13, 2005
Mary, I had horrible sleep apnea before my surgery. I had a very high setting on my CPAP - but it was useless. Even the sleep study tech said - "They're gonna want to give you a CPAP - but honestly, your reading isn't any better with it than without it!" I had to use the face mask - that was the only way it would work at all, and then, only for a very brief period of time. Honestly, the only way I could get any sleep was sitting up in a recliner (which I did for a couple of years before my surgery), and then I would only get anywhere between 45 minutes and 2 hours sleep a night - interrupted, of course because of the episodes of apnea. Yes, I, too, had congestive heart failure from the sleep apnea. It is very frightening - in fact, I was beginning to have little heart attacks - and my PCP was concerned I wouldn't live to even SEE my WLS because of that! I went to Spain for my surgery. I had an open BPD/DS with Dr. Aniceto Baltasar 2.5 years ago. I was a self-pay patient - and, well, Dr. Baltasar is one of the world's leading bariatric surgeons and he just wasn't thrown for a loop about ANY of my issues. I had out of control diabetes on multiple medications, stroke level hypertension on multiple medications, the severe obstructive sleep apnea, horrible GERD, stress incontinence, and I was in a wheelchair because of degenerative joint disease in my back and bilateral grade 4 degeneration of my knees. He was so awesome, and so not worried about my surgery being anything other than successful. And he was right! My surgery lasted 80 minutes and included the DS, gallbladder, and appendix removal. I was up walking to the toilet within 3 hours of surgery. For quite some time I'd only been able to stand for about 30 seconds at a time because of my back and knees. Yet - by 1 week post-op I walked 1/8th of a mile for the first time in YEARS. Not only that, I was off of all of my diabetes and hypertension meds by the time I was discharged. AND, amazingly - before I was even discharged from the hospital, I slept my first 6-hour, completely uninterrupted, snore-free sleep in YEARS. My husband thought I'd died! He kept coming over and looking at me! I've been sleeping 8-hour nights ever since. So yes, it's really important, however, to have an incredible surgeon on your side! Blessings, dina
   — Dina McBride

January 13, 2005
I would definitely keep trying with the C-Pap machine. It takes a little time to let yourself get used to it, but it will help you. I had a horrible time adjusting to getting used to wearing glasses all the time. The only thing that kept me from taking them off was the fact that I could see again and couldn't see without them. Now, I can't get used to not having them. Eventually, it will be that way with your C-Pap machine, but it takes a little time to get used to new things. It will definitely help your breathing following surgery. I have a friend who has been using his C-Pap machine since before his WLS. He still uses it because he has problems yet if he doesn't with his breathing. You would make things a whole lot easier on yourself, but it takes a little patience to allow yourself time to adjust to something new.
   — SnowWhiteDove459

January 14, 2005
Rub a dab of Vicks Vapo Rub down your nose and it helps you breath with a mask on...
   — Sandra B.

January 14, 2005
Rub a dab of Vicks Vapo Rub down your nose and it helps you breath with a mask on...
   — Sandra B.

January 20, 2005
I had a successful WSL LAP surgery on 12/13/04 with no complications. I have severe sleep apnea and the CPAP machine is set at 14. There is a new headset out there called a "Swift." It's much better than the old hard ones. It is soft all over so you can sleep on your side. It has the air pillows too. I had to bring my sleep apnea machine with me to the hospital. The day of the surgery, every time I closed my eyes when I got to my room after recovery, I would quit breathing. It's very dangerous and scary. I took myself off the morphine pump myself that first evening and had respiratory thereapy hook me up to my CPAP. You could very easily die by stopping to breath. Take it seriously and get your CPAP machine. Learning to deal with sleeping with it is a lot better than the alternative if you get my drift.
   — Debbie R.




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