Question:
Is surgery worth the possibility of death?

I have been doing an extensive amount of research on wls. Today I looked at the Memorial page. I cried as I read the stories. I have a one year old daughter. I want to be able to be a part of her life. My dilema is this: if I die from surgical complications I cannot be in her life at all. If I don't have surgery, I will be alive. It may not be the life I want to be living, but I'll be there. I am 28, I don't have any major life-threatening problems, yet, so I don't think I'll die if I don't have the surgery. Can someone put this into perspective for me? I have been so certain this is what I should do...Now I'm lost.    — dbmbrown (posted on December 29, 2000)


December 29, 2000
Brenda, I was in the exact same position as you. I started researching this surgery last April. Everything seemed to fall into place for me and I believed that it was meant to be. THEN I also read the memorials and it scared me!! I have 4 children, one is disabled and like you, I am not going to die if I don't have surgery. Though the quality of my life would be better. One thing you have to remember is a large number of those people did have alot of medical problems, some of them died before they were even approved. Then you need to look at the number of people that actually are members of this website. There are thousands and thousands of wonderful inspirational stories. I have convinced myself that it is what I need to do. I have complete trust in the surgeon that I have chosen and have also met several girls that are post-op. Of course, the decision has to be yours, you are the only one who can make that decision. My surgery is in a few weeks!! Good luck, I hope that helps some. Feel free to email me at [email protected] if you need to talk more.
   — McDonna

December 29, 2000
Brenda - Boy, do I know how you feel! When I was doing my research I spent a lot of time on this site, but avoided the memorial page like the plague! Eventually, I came to grips with the fact that this surgery is a risk, and looked at the memorials. I cried at many of the stories too, but I also realized that many of those who died from complications of the surgery would probably have still considered it worth the risk. Most had very severe medical problems and were probably considered very high risk. A person who has the surgery BEFORE having major health problems will have a lower risk of complications. This is a very personal decision and I would not presume to tell you what to do, but I also feel that if it is the right decision for you, you will know that the benefits outweigh the risks. I am now 18 days post-op and even though I was terrified, I went through with it. I was not in immediate danger of dying from the obesity, but I knew it was an eventuality. I have had two other abdominal surgeries in the past, and the risk of dying from those was about the same if not greater. Nothing in this life is guaranteed, except that we will all die eventually. The choice we must focus on is how we want to LIVE. I wish you peace in your decision. Good luck and God bless. Maria
   — Maria H.

December 29, 2000
Hi. As the others have said, it is a very personal decision that only you can make for yourself. At first I wanted the surgery very badly, but something kept gnawing at me and telling me it wasn't right. After insurance denial, I found out my surgeon had a great self-pay plan that I could afford outright, and I still decided against the surgery. At least for now. I had to ask myself, did I REALLY, TRULY give 100% of my dedication to losing weight in the past, and my answer was honestly "no." So now I've been in Weight Watchers, have lost 30 pounds, feel great, am exercising on my treadmill, and I'm dedicated for the first time in my life to win this battle. I told myself that in two years, if I'm not where I want to be, I'll reconsider my options. But for now, I'm happy with my choice and FOR ME PERSONALLY, surgery isn't the answer right now. Not when there really, truly are alternatives, but like anything, one has to be really dedicated and "want it" badly enough. I personally don't think that there is anyone out there "beyond help", no matter what their bmi is. Just gotta look inside yourself for the strength to decide what is right for you. WLS has helped a tremendous number of people, no denying that. I for one just can't take the risk that I'll be one of the "lucky ones." Good luck to you.
   — Linda J.

December 29, 2000
Hi Brenda, I tell people all the time to make sure this is something that they want to do. Because once it is done it is done. As with every surgery there are risk. You must be sure that the risk out weighs the benefits for you. For me it was a must that I have this surgery. My weight was out of control. My health was deteriating. I wouldn't do anything if I felt it wasn't right. Give yourself some time try exercising and cutting back see what you can do on your own. Just make sure you think long and hard. Everyone experience is different. My experience wasn't bad thank God but some people had a hard time. This your body only you know what is best for you. If you do decide to have the surgery don't think negative about it. Just put it in Gods hand. i don't think anyone should go into surgery with a negative attitude. If you decide to not to have the surgery that fine too. No one on this site is going to shun you. We are here to help you and answer all of your questions. I hope this put it into some perpective for you Sharon
   — Sharon T.

December 29, 2000
Yes, this was scary for me, too. But since I was a bit older, I had had the chance to diet and lose/gain many times til whatever was left of my health was completely gone. I knew I had a choice. Die slowly, probably on a breathing device of some sort while my fmaily watched? Or die fast on the table. I was comfortable with my hereafter, but the manner of dying concerned me. I did not expect to live, either way. Imagine my surprise when I woke up and had no problems at all! I am so envious of the young ones, who have their surgery (with a competent surgeon) and get on with their lives. I spent so much of my life food focused, usually what I was not going to eat, and taking food away from my kids to prevent them my agony. I wish I could've had it done 20 or 25 years sooner. Of course, I'd have had a more primitive surgery and been redone a few times, but it might've been worth it to have been set free from food years ago, and maybe never have had some of the comorbs I eventually got. Given a choice, I'd do it again. And again. And again. My husband had a pretty severe complication, was very sick. But he, also, would do it again.
   — vitalady

December 29, 2000
This is such a personal question! What should I do? I am 29 and I have two little girls 2 & 6. I have asked myself the same questions that you are asking yourself, what do I do? Four years ago I got a video in the mail about WLS and I throw it in the trash. I said to myself, NO WAY!, but today I am saying YES. I have talked to my husband, mother, sister, brother, mother-in-law and friends. Most have agreed with my choice and than others tell me that I am crazy (my mother-in-law, she is the crazy one! lol). I keep thinking of my girls and what would happen to them if I was no longer here. I believe that they would be in good hands, but more than that I keep thinking about the lack of mothering that they are getting now. I can't do many things that they need and want me to do and I feel guilty about that. I worry about the stress that my weight has on them. I took my daughter to school the other day and one of her friends told her right in front of me, that she had a really big mommy. I was crushed! You need to look for the signs around you! Pray, GOD will give you the answer, he always does. I feel deep down that I am in his hands, if it is my time to join him, than that is his will. GOD BLESS!
   — Trisch B.

December 29, 2000
I too have a young daughter (20 months) At first I was consumed by thoughts of her living without me because I had this "elective" surgery. But when I really thought about it - I dont take her to the park, I hate going to the beach or pool, I dont get down on the floor and play with her interactively the way I would like to - and although I am otherwise absolutely healthy - I dont think my body can lug around this weight and remain so. I dont want to be walking with a cane or in a wheelchair in 10 years. Its a personal decision and you must weigh the costs. Look carefully at those who passed away and their stats if available, then address the specific issues with your surgeon- if you arent satisfied with how its addressed - find another surgeon. I wish you all the best!
   — Anna B.

December 29, 2000
Brenda..I've never gone in a pool with my kids, I've never gone bike riding with my kids, I've never gone hiking with my kids, I've never gone on a roller coaster with my kids, my kids sit by embaressed while I ask for an extension for and airline seat, In Hawaii my kids and husband are in the blue water while I sit on the beach in black pants or jeans......I turned 45 this year..Perfect Health!!! BUT NO MORE FOR ME...I want to do all those things with my kids(Even though they are 13 and 16 now) Not to be depressing...just think long and hard about these things...with much care..Debora
   — Debora H.

December 29, 2000
Brenda... This is a difficult decision, I know.. Here's some perspective.... If you had chronic Tonsilitis, would you get your tonsils out? If you had gall bladder disease, would you get your gall bladder removed? Those two surgeries have the same risk of death as weight loss surgery does. The odds of surviving surgery are with you in a big way... about 99%. You're young, with no comorbids, non-smoker (I hope!)--your odds are even better. I had surgery over a year ago and I'm so incredibly thankful that I didn't have to leave this earth before I got a chance to really participate in life. This past year has been a dream come true for me. I've done more "living" in this past year, than I've done in my 43 years combined. So, risks???... do you know your risk of having a heart attack is 200% greater as a morbidly obese person, than a normal weight person? Your risks of getting endometrial, ovarian & cervical cancers are all at an increased risk of 50 times or greater as a morbidly obese person. These risks are very, very real and, after watching my Mom die of endo cancer, scared me right into having surgery. Dying a slow death of cancer is no way to go.... believe me!! You can read my story at: <a href="http://www.mywls.com">http://www.myWLS.com</a>.
   — [Deactivated Member]

December 29, 2000
Brenda, don't let anyone presure you in either direction with this. I work with heart patients at a hospital in IN. We reciently had a 22 year-old girl that was 6 months pregnent and over weight have a heart attack, she is ok and the baby was when she left the hospital. We now have a 27 year-old recovering from quadruple bypass. I am sure weight was not the only factor involved in their heart problems, but I am sure it didn't help. These are not the the norm but they show we may not be as healthy as we think we are, just because don't have any of the classic comorbs. Think about.
   — MARK N.

December 29, 2000
I am 31 years old and have 3 kids, 6, 4 and 13 months. With a BMI of 69, I am MORE at risk staying the way I am vs. having the surgery. I can't make the decision for you, nore should anyone else. It is UP TO YOU! I have also read the memorial section and it scared me. It seemed that the majority of those that have lost this battle had pre-existin conditions and previous WLS surgeries. Fortunatly for me, I am in good shape. What does that mean? Well, my doctor stated that, with the exception of my weight, I am in good shape. Non smoker/drinker, young age and I am very active. (golf, walking, basketball, etc.) I just can't find a diet or anything else to lose weight. I have researched this procedure for a little over a year and again, in my situation, I am at a lesser risk if I have the surgery. My surgery date is 2/1/01. Once I get back on my feet, I will be more that happy to share my experience with you. Good luck and no matter what your decision, you are in our prayers!
   — Kevin A.

December 29, 2000
My father had his first heart attack at the age of 35. Heart disease took him at the age of 48 even after have major bypass surgery. For myself, I may never have a heart attack. However, I knew my risk was greater because of my family medical history and weighing 532 lbs. Life is for the living and my determination for living is so great that sometimes we have to take drastic measures in order to make a change in our lives. Along with a quanity of years for living, I also wanted a quality of life. Before my surgery, I ate, slept, and went to work-that was it. What do I want now? I want to travel, finish my education, get married or even have a good long term relationship, I want to watch the younger generation of my family grow up, I want my good health back. I'm childless. However, when my mom and her best friend turned 50 several years ago, I saw something in them that helped me to understand where they were coming from. Most people (women in perticluar hate turning the big 5 0) We went out to lunch to celebrate their birthdays because they were born three days apart. They felt so wonderful because they felt they had lived long enough to see so many wonderful and not so wonderful events in their lives. The biggest thing was seeing their children reach maturity and knowing we could take care of ourselves. In seeing this, it made me feel wonderful knowing they had reached a major milestone in their lives. No one can make this decision for you. Not even your surgeon. I'm a little over two months post op. For me, there are no regrets. I look forward to every new day even though it is not guranteed to us. But when my eyes open everyday, I say thank you God-let me do what is willed.
   — Jan M.

December 29, 2000

   — Jamelle S.

December 29, 2000
Brenda and others: Thank you all for this wonderful discussion. I am soon to be 40 and my wife and I are expecting our first child in February after nearly 18 years of mariage. I am thrilled and excited in ways beyond words about the baby. I am also thrilled and excited at the possibility of having surgery this year (sometime after the baby is born). MY BMI is around 52 and I have hypertension and my feet and legs (especially hips) hurt almost unbearably sometimes. I have never checked it out, but I think I could be a candidate for hip replacement (I don't want to do that). If WLS could help me avoid that and do things with my unborn son, it will be worth any sacrifice I have to make. I am not afraid of dying so much as having complications that render me unable to work for a few months. I want to do the surgery to avoid being a burden on my family. My breathing is hard. I have a long history of heart disease in my family (both sides). Nothing would thrill me more than being able to buy clothes off the rack at any store other than a Big and Tall shop. Or to be able to go to meetings without stressing over the size of the chairs. I want to be able to tie my shoes with ease - not break a sweat from the experience. I want to be able to teach my son how to ride a bike. I want to go hiking with him. There are so many advantages to having this surgery for me it is not a difficult decision to make. Anyway, thanks again for bringing up the difficult stuff. I trust you will do what you feel is best and that WILL be best! Take care all,
   — jeff P.

December 29, 2000
Brenda, good question. And everyone has very personal answers. My own story is that I also have two daughters, a useless ex-husband and an elderly mother. Who would take care of my kids if I developed complications from either obesity or surgery? Well, before WLS, I was headed for a wheelchair in 5 or 10 years time, because the cartilage in my right knee was so thin from injury and weight. I guess my answer to your question is just that: I didn't risk death...to continue on at 277 and climbing at about 30 lbs. a year was risking the wheelchair. One thing that helped me put the memorial page in perspective was to look at the size and general health of the people. I didn't have anything in common with them, so although I was very saddened, I didn't really worry about not surviving. Also, I was encouraged by the statistics and knew that if I wasn't amongst the 98% of the people who survive surgery, then I was just going to be hit by a garbage truck anyway if I hadn't had it. In other words, I believe when your time is up, ain't nothin' you can do to stop it...and now, my time is just beginning. Good luck and God Bless, Brenda...I hope you find peace in your decision.
   — Allie B.

December 29, 2000
You make good points. However, just because you are relatively healthy doesn't mean you will be around. There is a reason why so many insurance companies pay for htis surgery. It saves them money in the long run because it does make you healthier. I want to tell you a little story. When I left work the day before my surgery, this lady I work with who is 44 was so supportive. She too is overweight but in relative good health. She offered support and told me that my life was going to be better and she would see me on the other side. I will never get to see her again. The night of my surgery, after she had sent me some flowers, she died in her sleep from a brain aneurism. The moral to this story is that we take risks every day without calculating them. You never know when you will be gone. Don't let the memorial page give you the sense that this is a frequent happening. Remember there are 22,000 members and about 25 memorials, some of which were not as a result of the surgery. Good luck with your decision.
   — Perri T.

December 30, 2000
Hi Brenda - I don't post alot here but your question really touched me. You said you don't have any health problems - I didn't either at 28.....or should I say I didn't have any "diagnosed" health problems. But, being morbidly obese we are 50 times more likely to develope breast cancer. I watched my mother die of breast cancer and I can tell you without a doubt that I'd rather die during weight loss surgery than of breast cancer. Being morbidly obese makes us tremendously more likely to have a fatal heart attack. So, really you are only as healthy as a morbidly obese person can be. At 35 I began having health problems and was eventually diagnosed with Type II Diabetes, arthritis, fibromyalgia and other various and sundry annoying conditions. I have two teenagers and a WONDERFUL husband. I chose to have surgery in order to see grandchildren some day - to grow old with the man I love - to LIVE life rather than simply watch it pass me by. I urge you to follow your heart. Feeling good and actually being healthy are two different things. Surgery saved my life. It wasn't easy but it was right for me. I know you'll figure it out. No one can tell you what to do but if I was going to offer advice it would be this: Give weight loss surgery serious consideration. It's the greatest gift you can give yourself and those who love you. Good luck to you!!!
   — ronascott

February 6, 2001
I am in the process of getting aproved for RNY. Yes it is kind of scarey. But going on the way I am now is even more. I weigh 395 & bmi of about 58. I have severe sleep apnea, high bloodpressure, triglycerides and high insulin. My grandfather who was very heavy, died of diabetes related kidney failure and that scares me more than the surgery. Yes there is a small chance I could die post-op but at the rate I am going I really am concerned that I have a lot higher chance of dying in the near future if I don't do something drastic to get the weight off now. Mortality statistics favor having the surgery especially if you are having other major health problems related to morbid obesity.
   — [Anonymous]

February 7, 2001
Read my profile for my story. Best wishes with your decision.
   — [Deactivated Member]

February 7, 2001
Brenda ... very few of us had "major life threatening problems" at 28 as a result of morbid obesity. The only diagnosed one I had was Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome that was interfering with my ability to get pregnant. However, I had a family history of cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, arthritis, high blood pressure, and just about everything else bad you can get. Between the ages of 28 and 42 -- my age when I had my surgery last November -- I went from about 190 pounds to 350 -- gaining and losing the same 150 pounds three times in that same period. I developed sleep apnea, type II diabetes, had severe gestational diabetes when pregnant with my first son, clinical depression, high blood pressure, arthritis so bad in my left knee and ankle there were days I could hardly walk, yadda yadda. And, as my weight went up, my involvement in the lives of my two sons went down. I could hardly move, let alone participate with them in anything. Walking half a block left me sweating, puffing, and wheezing. Surgery was scary, but thinking that I wouldn't live to see my boys grow up was scarier. You're right, if you die from surgical complications you cannot be in your daughter's life at all, but the overall risk of death from the surgery is less than 1%. The same cannot be said for the risk of death from the complications of morbid obesity. Most of us -- today or tomorrow or next week or next year -- are looking at odds of more than 90% that the weight, or something caused by it, will eventually get us. We all must make our own decision, but be careful if you are being led by fear. Fear has kept us fat. Fear has kept us spectators in our own lives. Fear will keep you from having a full relationship with your daughter, with your husband, and with everyone you love and who loves you. Warm supportive thoughts, whatever you choose ...
   — Cheryl Denomy

April 2, 2001
Death is certain for all of us. We can chose to die slowly with obesity.From the problems it causes, like arthritis which will not kill you, but it will prevent you from exercising and the medications you have to take for the pain can cause more health problems to death. Let's see high blood pressure is another complication of obesity, this is known as the silent killer, another complication with slow or fast death related to it is diabetes, which as with me and my husband have due to our weight. I myself is a new onset with little damage done to my body at this time. My husband on ther other hand has had a brother near death from diabetes, and he suffers from seizures when his sugar gets to close to 400. With poorly controlled diabetes comes a whole new onset of slow killing factors as kidney failure. This alone is a slow horrible process to live with. Dialysis which keeps most of these people alive takes away your life right there. If dialysis is needed for kidney failure from diabetes, you stay hooked up to a machine that pulls your blood out cleans it and replaces it. The process is long, boring, and takes every other day of your life. Now that was only two complications of being obese, I have not named all of my complications yet, and I am only 33 years old. More danger that I face every night is Sleep Apena, and I can not wear the special mask to keep my airway open, so every night I sleep fat, my heart and breathing stops for short time periods several times a night. Lets go on, gastric reflux a wonderful complication of obesity, can cause a bleeding ulcer in my throat at any time, I have to control this with medication. These are just a few reasons why I want the surgery. Yes I debate possible death from surgery or the long slow death which causes misery every day for the rest of my life. I have two children and with this surgery hope to have more. I want to have a better life with these children, just to be able to play , run , go biking, or walking with them would be worth possible death. Hope this helps.
   — Annette B.

November 16, 2001
I have been on this site, along with others for countless hours researching, getting firsthand experiences, technical data, and good advice, trying not to miss one piece of information. I have been confident, scared, eager, dreadful, happy, and sad. I spent a lot of time on the negative, probably trying to talk myself out of it. I have read the memorials from top to bottom. I must say, I was overwhelmed with grief over their stories. I winced when I finished scanning over their many complications. From leaks to clots, I wondered if I, too, could endure such pain. But, after all my naythinking, I have come to the conclusion that no grieving thin family member or friend could ever understand. That no matter what the cost, if you are an obese person,trying to make it in your everyday trials and tribulations, you have got to try. Even if the risks might include the ultimate sacrifice. In saying this, I hope not to add to the suffering of anyone who has lost loved ones. I wish only to help them understand that these people did not risk it all for vanity, social standing, or mere acceptance. They were more like patriots battling for their freedom. After thinking long and hard, I believe that I, too, am willing to risk it all. I hope to be one of the successful stories you find here of people breaking off the shackles of obesity, both of the mind and body. Not just to survive, but to really live. God bless each and every one of us.
   — [Anonymous]




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